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    Dear food lovers a few days ago i read an article online to do with the connection between water polution and fresh vegetables apparently there was an official directive from the government encouraging people not to eat too many vegetables because the water used to grow them etc would normally come from a polluted source now is this possible to have polluted vegetables if you are going to water them with polluted water and how polluted would the water be, has anybody heard of people getting sick from this situation :?:


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    Hi,
    Never heard of people getting sick...but it's a fact that if you water plants, with chemical nutrients added to the water, the plant is affected by the water.
    So it would seem logical, that if one uses poluted water for vegetables, it would affect the vegetable too. And by eating that, it would have consequentions for the health of a person. But usualy not short-term, but only after long-term exposure to the poluted source. By the way, it depends ofcourse on how 'dirty' the food is, I mean how concentrated the poison is. The government can suggest all they want, about not eating vegetables, but reality is most people don't have the money to buy meat. So then they would only have the rice left, which is btw also watered from the same source???
    The plants I was talking about, you know what kinda plant that is, hahaha. Two weeks before harvesting, they need to be watered with only water, without addetives. That's for washing the plant clean of any excess chemical stuff. Don't know if it would work on poluted vegetables too, and how would someone know when dealing with those vegetables?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilbert de jong
    Hi,
    Never heard of people getting sick...but it's a fact that if you water plants, with chemical nutrients added to the water, the plant is affected by the water.
    There was food poisoning in California a couple of years back that was caused by salad greens that had been irrigated with contaminated water - this is water contaminated with bacteria - not chemicals. I think that some of the spinach farms were adjacent to feedlots for cattle which could make the irrigation water a bit shitty. The vegetables are harvested and quickly packaged for supermarket sale, then chilled as they quickly move to market. So the contaminants in water droplets on the leaves are well looked after as it moves from the farm to consumer. A California government report on what farmers should do is here
    http://www.cdph.ca.gov/pubsforms/Doc...Dole032007.pdf
    In Bali, a few things probably work in our favour:
    :arrow: spray irrigation of vegetable crops is less common
    :arrow: heavily polluted water sources are less common
    :arrow: the vegetables dry off as they move to market which would reduce the impact of any contaminants that may have been in irrigation water

    I hope that makes you all feel better.

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    I know in Lombok they say you should not feed small children the water spinach because of the water it is grown in... if it isnt safe for children I dont want to eat it either!
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    So i guess my next question is what do you guys do when out shopping in any market in bali do you buy the local vegetables and how do you know if they were produced with clean water ?
    With boiled veg does this purify the veg from germs ?

    The plants I was talking about, you know what kinda plant that is, hahaha.
    Gil was this the business you were talking about that is immune from the financial crisis :P



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton
    So i guess my next question is what do you guys do when out shopping in any market in bali do you buy the local vegetables and how do you know if they were produced with clean water ?
    If they are local veges (supermarkets have some imported stuff) - then the answer is you don't know how pure the water was - but it mostly doesn't matter because the crops are not spray irrigated. Many of the crops are just using rainfall. But if they are furrow irrigated, then plants can absorb water from a contaminated source through their roots and grow uncontaminated leaves.
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    With boiled veg does this purify the veg from germs ?
    Yes - no problem.

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    Right i see but what about fresh fruit the type you dont boil is that going to pose a problem ?

    Couldnt open ypou link ronb so not sure if the answers were in there!
    Well you guys have been living in bali for quite awhile so do you ever grow your own crops isnt the ground really fertile there too ?

    I guess one must steer clear of fresh salads too ! :cry:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton
    Right i see but what about fresh fruit the type you dont boil is that going to pose a problem ?
    Anything you peel is safe. So what about grapes? - I know people who avoid them - but I eat them all the time without a worry or problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anton
    Couldnt open ypou link ronb so not sure if the answers were in there!
    Well you guys have been living in bali for quite awhile so do you ever grow your own crops isnt the ground really fertile there too ?
    The link is just to a checklist for Californian farmers - build wells to standards, have water tested etc.
    One of our neighbours grows veges - they grow easily, but most of us are too lazy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anton
    I guess one must steer clear of fresh salads too ! :cry:
    Again, many visitors have read travel guides and are avoiding salads. I love salads and haven't given them up. No problems so far.

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    We dont have a vege patch as such but we do grow some local veggies that I dont know the names of as well as chillis, but much more we grow a lot of fruit. Papaya mostly. I like it because they grow so fast and bare fruit in 12/24 months. The downside is the tree only lasts about 5 years. But we also have jack fruit, bananas, tamarind, mango and sawo (which I dont much care for). Guests seem to like to be able to step out of their room and pick a fresh mango off the tree too :D
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    Ronb i think generally eating fruit"n"veg that may have contaminants will probably harm you in the longterm abit like smoking though being brought up from an early age on these types of contaminants could have a dire affect when say in your 50s so if you are already in adulthood when you start eating these things then these longterm affects probably wont surface before all the other ageing processes have reared there ugly head :shock:


    Mims garden sounds like paradise especially when you mention mango's :P

    Mango's probably the best fruit in this earth :mrgreen:


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