Leasing in Bali

[SHoggard]

Or you could always buy a joglo (traditional teak 'knock-down house) erect it on the land & if the lease goes bums-up at the end, you simply un-erect it and move it somewhere else - it's not like you'd be sending in the bulldozers & flattening a villa (which as mentioned above the bandar might object to) that's their function, housing for the landless poor.

If you're looking for ethnic style it doesn't get much more ethnic that that, well Javanese, but can be modified simply to include 'western' facilities, and actually they can look very classy.

I looked at one in December @ around US$40k

[sakumabali]

little hind: it's about the term "irrevocable" which does not exist in indonesian law....and I have to add (sorry if it was not clear I'm talking about hak milik / freehold titles which is "owned" by a foreigner over a nominee, leasehold as a system itself is more safe

[sakumabali]

I looked at one in December @ around US$40k

Probably too expensive (depends of the total m2 of course, the diameter of the columns, quality of the wood etc), but before you buy this 1 for 40 grands send me some pics cause I probably can get you a better 1 for less money

[sherm]

Probably too expensive (depends of the total m2 of course, the diameter of the columns, quality of the wood etc), but before you buy this 1 for 40 grands send me some pics cause I probably can get you a better 1 for less money

Could you post any pictures or details? We'll be in Bali in a couple of weeks and I'd like to be able to consider that option while looking at leases.

[Fred2]

I was under the idea that a nominee system in a agreement between 2 people?
This was to give some protection for westerner to have property, but the agreements will not hold up in court..
You are not a bank so you cannot lend money?
You cannot own land in Indonesia so your name is not on the title?
The only thing you have is a lease agreement, thats it. You could go to court with this document, but your nominee may show the court other document that would get you into more trouble..
That's why you nut out the lease agreement, its the only legal agreement(document) you have.
In our life time Indonesia will never allow westerner to own land, I can see longer leasehold but never own.

[dontworryaboutit]

I know there are a few threads regarding this, but I would just like to try and clarify things if people don't mind helping me!
We are not moving to Bali yet ( unfortunately) but we are planning to as soon as we can. I have done as much research as we can with the Internet but I do understand a lot of the villas/ houses are not advertised on line and you need to ask around.
Do most of you feel this is the best way to go about it;

Arrive in Bali with pre booked accomodation, perhaps a week? Or two?

Once on the ground in the area that we like, ( north of Sanur) then start looking around and asking around for a place to lease? Are ther generally many to choose from.
Are villas better then houses and do most expats stay in gated or secure villas? Do many of you live in villas that are not in secure communities.

I can see there are varying opinions about using an agent and I think due to our lack of experience we would use an agent to start with.
I see that at least a years rent will be paid in advance. Can anyone advise what documents or paper work we need to check. Eg : how do we check the person leasing the house owns is. What documents do we get to prove we have leased it for the year - or whatever it is.
Thanks in advance for any responses.
Ps. A bit of info on us, is it will be just me and my husband moving. Probably on a retirement visa as he is nearly 55.

Give yourself more than a week or 2 to find your house/villa. Remember you will be living in it for years possibly. Also it allows time for you to ask some locals if they know of any houses for rent, they will ask around etc etc. If someone finds a house for you they will always get a bit of commission out of it but if you are happy with the price who cares right?

Your choice will be limited by your budget. If you have 100 million per year budget you could look at loads each day if you want however if your budget is 12 million then the search will be harder...but not impossible ;)

A dog is your best security.

Not too sure about documents and all that. If you are in a village then its pretty clear who owns the house cos all your neighbours will be round sticky beaking its not like someone could show you through without someone noticing. My first year the owner drew up an A4 size document basically saying how much for a year and what is covered (no listrik for example), since then its just been a little receipt each year after I pay a year up front.

If you pay for 3 years you will get a discount too.

Good luck

[balidavo]

I was under the idea that a nominee system in a agreement between 2 people?
This was to give some protection for westerner to have property, but the agreements will not hold up in court..
You are not a bank so you cannot lend money?
You cannot own land in Indonesia so your name is not on the title?
The only thing you have is a lease agreement, thats it. You could go to court with this document, but your nominee may show the court other document that would get you into more trouble..
That's why you nut out the lease agreement, its the only legal agreement(document) you have.
In our life time Indonesia will never allow westerner to own land, I can see longer leasehold but never own.

This is the only facts ive seen in this thread so far ,,,,,

BTW , arangements are now being made to allow for 60 year leases , while efforts are swaying toward making ownership more unlikely in the future .

For peace of mind , regarding the OP , renting a house on a year by year basis is the most hassle free of the options available

[SHoggard]

Probably too expensive (depends of the total m2 of course, the diameter of the columns, quality of the wood etc), but before you buy this 1 for 40 grands send me some pics cause I probably can get you a better 1 for less money

That's what I thought... it was 12m x 10m & included re-erecting on site... but didn't include a bunch of things like waterproofing roof, base etc etc.

I'll be in Yokya, Surabaya & Jebara in a couple of months on other business & will spend a few days looking around (the basic footwork having been done by an Indonesian friend).

But sakumabali, I'll contact you after I've had a look there - possibly the cost of an old one, knocking-down, cleaning up, shipping & re-erecting would be higher than $40k - maybe not.

@ sherm: no pics of the specific house, but generic pics can be found here to give you an idea of what they look like - not so shabby, eh? (of course none of those pictured are in the 'condition' of the one I looked at):
https://www.google.com/search?q=ruma...iw=891&bih=462