Hygiene amongst Pembantus

[Bert Vierstra]

Although the custom of giving right hands must come from somewhere, I don't think toilet paper makes much of a difference, if proper hygiene is applied.

Now, being in the Netherlands, I miss our large kamar mandi, and use toilet paper because otherwise its too much a hassle.

However, I feel cleaner the Bali way....

[tintin]

You feel cleaner the Balinese way :?: Remind me not to shake you hand when I meet you :lol: In that case, why don't you use the French way: toilet paper and a bidet :?: :lol:

[BaliLife]

Let's compare apples with apples.

Hours of work for my in-laws maids in Surabaya.

4.30am to 8pm 7 days / week. There are of course hours throughout the day they're not working. 4 days off every 3 months or so unless otherwise requested. I'm not about to suggest this is fair by western standards, but it's the way it is there.

Can anyone post the hours they've witnessed for their Balinese live-in maid?

Ct

[Bert Vierstra]

I think the Dutch wiped their arse with the French (way) :P

Come one Tin Tin, save some trees...

[BaliLife]

I definitely don't prefer any indonesian way of wiping an arse over that of the west.. I'm with you on this one tin..

Ct

[Roy]

Daniel, I knew there was something about you that was attributable to your toilet training. :P

I’m with Bert, in that I also “feel cleaner the Balinese way.”

If my adopting the “Balinese toilet way” means that I’ve really “gone so far down the deep end” then so be it. I am much happier (and cleaner) for it, thank you. :D

[tintin]

I'm sorry, Roy, but playing with one's own shit is definitely for very young children or perverts. Children usually find themselves overflowing with pride and admiration for their fecal creations, said Freud, and that's probably all that you can create. :roll:

[milan]

It's nice to know that nothing much has changed over the past four hundred and some years of relations between the colonials and the "natives". Westerners are still complaining about their maids and still making sweeping generalizations based on little more than "personal experience."

Very well said, drbruce.

I feel sorry for the Indonesian women or wives you guys have. There's no minimal of respect towards them whatsoever but laughing on such preposterous things behind their backs. I don't know about Daniel, but do save your French and bidet comment as the Italians laugh at you for NOT having bidet in your bathrooms, and for myriad other things as well. Please don't let me start.
And Balilife, being half Iranian. You just don't know either what comments I hear about you, but you know what? I'm not going to stoop down to your level as to opt for a tit-for-tat comments just for amusement or provocation.
Once again, I ask you to have some respect towards the country you live in especially the women you are with and for this very reason, I take my hat off to Roy for upholding his family highly as in respecting his wife's culture, traditions and country. He's indeed a civilised man.
I'm no Balinese but am Indonesian and thus take your comments about the Balinese are very offensive!!
Long before you were all born, Indonesia had soaps. Left hands are not used out of respect since toilet papers are not in our custom as it is also perceived non-hygenic since there's no contact with water but have always used soap and water instead and not because they are dirty.
Besides, this thread is about "servants". That alone should give you perspectives as to what backgrounds they are from, in that they are not educated, trained according to what some of the people in the West so ignorantly expect.
And Indonesia is still a third world country which is a complex country to run given its size.
And yet, you people just continuously talk down as though there is perfection where you come from. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[Roy]

Hey, Daniel, you are the self professed rocket scientist, so I gladly defer to your greater knowledge of “after burners, spent fuel residue” and etc. I guess if I spent the greater part of my life building nuclear bombs and contributing to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, (all of which you have previously mentioned on this forum), I would also know something about Freud, and his present day proponents...i.e., shrinks.

It’s interesting how it’s taken this discussion for you to show your true colors...which is really just one...dark brown. :x

[Roy]

Many thanks for your kind comments Milan. Just for the record though, I want to clarify one thing, and that is that Indonesia is not a third world country, rather it is classified by the UN as an emerging nation. IMHO, it is a distinction that is well worth mentioning. Cheers!