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[Roy]

you're married to a very wise lady by the sound of it roy..

The “sound of it” has nothing to do with the fact. It is fact. Eri IS a very wise lady. So is Kadek. So is my mother in law, and so are my sisters in law, and so are my aunties.

Despite the reality that Balinese women follow their husbands, Bali is by no means a patriarchal society... rather, it is most clearly matriarchal. Bali is a woman.

If you don’t believe me, you needn’t talk to Eri, rather, you could start with our high priest:

[milan]

Sorry, but this "do it" catching words was written by me in my post here earlier, Roy.

Well, let's just say: we just do it - (as Nike ad fittingly says). We don't talk about it. And that's where I come from.

In case you forgot...ehemm!!

[Roy]

It's just as much the forgetting about it part that matters as much as the just doing it part.

Anyway Milan, I didn’t realize you held a monopoly on that philosophy. Cheers

[chilli]

what a powerful face this high priestess has, just awesome , the photo sent shivers through me.

I love the Matriachal society, wise indeed.

[chilli]

sorry, high Priest..

can't take my eyes off her.

[BaliLife]

Ok, I tracked down 'Selamat' today, and was able to speak to his mom who was working on the other side of the mall. She's agreeable to my plan. On July 14th I will meet them at his school (at 10am) - after he finishes school. I will talk to his teacher and make sure they're on board. After that we'll go to where he lives. She told me its not a house, it's a temporary structure. I know what this means. I need to know where they live so I can have someone check at will what's happening - she's also in agreement to this. Though I've not committed to such, I want to try to find better, at least sanitary living conditions for them - but I'm aware that if this program is going to grow, such needs to be affordable. My other challenge is that he finishes school at 10am - if he's not with his mom at the mall (she sells papers there), he'll be at home alone, which is not an option, so I need to either find a playgroup to get him enrolled into, or hire a dedicated person, but hiring a caretaker is a big responsibility to take on, so I don't have a clear plan yet. I don't want the parents to stop working to stay at home with him, that's not sustainable. In the meantime I've asked his mother to have a think about the necessities she needs, so we can discuss on July 14th. I also will be arranging for him to see a dentist and a doctor before school starts..

Well the first step..

If anyone has any ideas regarding how to ensure he's being taken care of while his parents are working, please share.

Ct

[Roy]

Being mesmerized by her photo is one thing. Holding her hand, or being asked to carry her as I often have, is something entirely different.

Every westerner I have taken to meet her has crumbled in her presence...without a word spoken.

She is only a small part of what is the real Bali, but for me she has been a gateway for many years.

BaliLife, I don't know what else to say to you, except an admission of my prayers that no one in our family has ever to reconcile your unique idea of charity.

[BaliLife]

Well Roy - I didn't post for praise, I really just posted to get ideas. But I think your post is impudent, period.

If you can cite me a reason why indonesia will be worse off with one less 6 year old working day and nights, I'd love to hear it. Perhaps you're now so authentically Balinese you can justify such. Otherwise, you might do best to keep your pie hole on subjects relating to Hindu ceremonies, as practiced by a 6'4" caucasian trying to pass as a Balinese.

Ct

[Roy]

Given all the numerous faux pas on this forum authored by you, it is more than ironic that you would refer to me as impudent.

In case you have any remaining doubts, let me now quickly disperse them with a simple line:

I don’t care, listen to, or even consider a word you write about Bali.

So there we are...an understanding so to speak.

[BaliLife]

roy, it's not you that several notables on this forum can't stand - it's your attitude.. you wonder why people launch attacks on you - you sit there clueless.. it's because you think you're better than anyone else on this forum.. even though i try and maintain a decency when posting to you, after a while, your "ONLY I KNOW BALI" attitude brings out the worst in me..

i've just deleted a very nasty post, aimed at you, that i posted moments ago.. it's not worth launching an easy personal attack - for i'll end up looking the villain, but let me suggest that you look at yourself, look at your life and be thankful for it - but remember, it doesn't mean the rest of us want it..

ct

and yes, i consider you impudent - not unto bali - but to other members of the forum.. it's ok to disagree with other members, but to continually re-state that others have no experience, or know nothing when such is categorically untrue is more offensive than the worst of my posts.

[Roy]

I've just deleted a very nasty post, aimed at you, that i posted moments ago.. it's not worth launching an easy personal attack

I am incredibly grateful. I’ve grown tired of screaming what I used to scream many years ago ...“incoming!”

With lots of amusement, I also find it interesting that you, having only been on this forum for a little over a year, chose to deliver any sort of a personal observation of my many years on this forum, and on Bali.

The realities of life on Bali that are only acquired by life on Bali, is something you can deny all you want. I honestly don’t care, nor am I about to apologize for this reality.

When I first read a post, authored by you, that has something meaningful or accurate about Bali, you can trust me in that I’ll be among the first to acknowledge that. In the meantime, you can continue on to your heart’s content, but I will always be here to show the errors and ignorance of your ways.

[FreoGirl]

Sigh...

[Roy]

I wouldn’t sigh Freo, as after all, you started this string. As I re-read it, there were some excellent suggestions, not the least of which is to join Rotary.

I guess you could consider this discussion a sow’s ear, but then again, you could also make a silk purse from it. It’s all about what you find within all the words, and not the words alone. So, no “sigh” is needed, or called for...IMHO.

[FreoGirl]

At the top of this page I was inspired. The photo of the high priestess - well she's just beautiful. And I was pleased that Balilife had taken his first step and continued reading while thinking of what I would post, thoughts of encouragement and affirmation in the fact that Balilife had taken action where on my mind. Whatever his approach to what he is doing, he is getting involved. It can only do good. Who knows what that 6 year old boy could become given a chance. Even if it is just a good father and husband with the means to earn an income because he got an education is fantastic. I think of my own husband who is highly intelligent, undoubtably a very high IQ, with virtually no education. Who worked from a similar age. What could he have done given my own advantages>

Then the page degenerated into a slanging match.
It made me sigh.
I am disheartened.

I don't need instruction on what to do - my intention was to open a discussion on what people are up to, particularly the longer term expats who, through their ability to make a longer term commitment, are able to get more involved. As I said previously, I am involved in a number of projects already in Lombok AND Bali, but while still living in Australia I have the opportunity to set things up a bit better if you like, before I move back to Indonesia. By talking with others about their own involvement I can gain further insights into the issues, and what else may be possible.

And yes, there have been some excellent posts.

Roy, your arrogance is unmatched. Truely, you are the king. I sincerely hope that one day the penny will drop and you will have an epiphany and just SEE yourself as you occur to others, and realise that when you project as you do, you are not achieving that which you desire. My purpose for wishing this for you is that I still hold the hope that you are not the nasty piece of work that you come across as on so many occassions.

Waste of my time even typing this as you are so far from seeing it that you couldn't give a flying fart what I say.

Oh why bother. Everyone else gets it.

[Roy]

Roy, your arrogance is unmatched.

Thank you Freo. Some day down the line you might learn that arrogance is often mistaken for knowledge and confidence. You might also learn that without both, life in Bali is near impossible.

[mimpimanis]

S: (n) arrogance, haughtiness, hauteur, high-handedness, lordliness (overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors)

That pretty much sums it up. Roy certainly seems to see everyone else on the forum as his inferior.